It was late February 2021 and we had just posted up on the couch at Kevin Kush’s apartment. Three blunts were smoked that night. We didn’t even leave until probably four-thirty in the morning. As usual, we got down to talkin’ politics, religion, and conspiracies – shit that you don’t really speak about at the dinner table, unless you grew up with KK and MM that is. What you’re about to read is only just a snippit – perhaps you’ll get the read the whole thing one day…
KEVIN KUSH – master MC, engineer, producer, minecraft innovator, ape-handed cryptominer
MAX M – editor of THAT VOODOO, bassist of Palamino
RC – remaining anonymous, but if ya know, ya know.
1 – COLORADO DREAMIN’
2 – SAMSARA
[parental advisory: explicit content]
KK: 200 dollars for that? Yo, we used to get this shit for 60 dollars in Newark. Sixty fuckin’ dollars! That’s straight Airy, bro. That’s Arizona.
RC: You got your grinder, though?
KK: Yep. Hold on one second. Lemme fuckin’ throw this in there. Shit, fuckin’, I’m too bougie […]
RC: That’s why we just gotta get the fuck out of here and go to Colorado, fam.
KK: I know.
MM: Yeah, you just go to a store.
RC: Dude, I would just go to the store after work, you know what I mean? Like, just pick up my fuckin’ marijuana for the same exact price you would pay for it here anyway, like. That’s the thing.
MM: Yeah, and it’s better weed.
RC: But the taxes aren’t, like, out the ass over there like in California, ya know?
KK: It’s not too bad. It depends on what county you’re in.
RC: Yeah, that’s true. Every single one we went to was great, though.
MM: What was it about Colorado Springs, though? There’s no dispensaries, right?
RC: Yeah, it’s illegal, like, to have a [recreational] dispensary in Colorado Springs. I mean, that was old, though. I don’t know if they recently–
KK: Yo, listen. There’s fuckin’ enough dispensaries in every little bumfuck town and village around there, it don’t matter, yo.
RC: Exactly. Off the highway kind of shit.
KK: I was, like, drivin’ through shit that looked like a trailer park, and then all of a sudden it’s like, fuckin’, “THE GREEN DRAGON!” [Laughs]
MM: Yeahhh! [Laughs]
RC: Right! Everywhere, bro.
MM: Yo, I’m pretty sure we probably seen that same one right off the highway.
RC: Yeah, The Green Dragon.
KK: Yo, I stopped at a whole bunch of different ones, bro. We were like, “Ooo, that’s a new name, let’s go there!”
KK: There was one that was like a fuckin’ weed megastore, though. I forget which one it was. You had to like sign up–
RC: Oh, probably um, Native–
MM: Native Roots?
KK: No, but we went to Native Roots.
RC: Oh, ’cause that’s one of the big corporate ones there.
MM: Native Roots is like a CVS.
KK: It’s like a doctor’s office.
RC & MM: Yeah.
KK: I didn’t—we went there first, and then, like, what? Went in there, and it looked like a white waiting room, and you had to enter onto a list to go into the thing.
MM: Is that the one near the airport?
KK: I’m not sure, but, fuckin’ uh, yeah I think so, actually, ’cause we were, uh—it was right on a main highway. It was two-sided?
MM: Yeahhh, it’s like kinda you make, like, a right off the highway, or something like that.
RC: It’s like by a bunch of hotels?
MM: Next to a 7/11?
KK: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
RC: That’s it, dude!
KK: Yep. So, we stop there […] and we put ourselves on the list, and they were like, “Alright, it’s gonna be 15 minutes.” We went and waited in the car, and we were like, “Fuck this,” and we went to another one down the street.
RC: Honestly, at that point. That’s how convenient it is, though, ya know?
KK: Yep, it really is.
RC: Versus New Jersey where you gotta just get it off the fuckin’ black market. [Laughs] Fingers cross it.
KK: Honestly, them black market prices be right, though.
RC: That’s the thing.
KK: It’s gotta be right. What am I looking for? My razor blade? Tell me I fuckin’–
MM: I remember [RC’s] friends were living, like, when they were living in California, that they would still get it from the street because in California the taxes were crazy.
KK: Yeah, it’s too high.
RC: Yeah. I mean, it still is to this day. It’s, like, the black market’s thriving.
KK: The grey market, that’s what it was called ’cause it was legal tender, like marked with the CA stuff, like everything was legal about the product, it was just sold illegally. Sold off the books. Where the fuck–? Okay, fuck it.
RC: Yeah. I see. Yeah, I’m pretty sure I went to an illegal dispensary because, um, in California, because, I mean, it was sketchy, for one. But they didn’t give you a receipt – and other dispensaries I went to, like, gave me a receipt – they wrote every transaction down with a pencil on a piece of paper that they kept behind the register [Laughs]. And there prices, dude, were phenomenal, though. It was like you’re paying for it on the street, you know what I mean? So…
KK: They had, like, 70 dollar shake ounces out there [Colorado]. I was like, “Whaaaat?”
MM: Yeah. The 5 dollar pre-roll. Or even a free pre-roll.
KK: Oh, I got a free pre-roll on Dani’s b-day.
RC: Oh, sweet. Yeah, they do that shit.
MM: For it being her birthday?
RC: There was this one, it was called Good People, and dude, it was organic bud. This shit, though, dude? I felt like it was the first time I was smoking again, like, that’s how potent it was, you feel me?
KK: Yeah. Yo, I was smokin’ thirty-percenters out there – Willy Nelson’s Reserves.
MM: [Good People had] pre-rolled blunts with hash. What the fuck?
KK: Yeah, I know. I wasn’t really—I wasn’t about it, though. Honestly, the weed was so good, I wasn’t feelin’ the blunts.
MM: I wasn’t either, but he sold me on the fuckin’ hash shit.
RC: The hash was good as fuck, though.
MM: He was like, yo, everybody makes hash in this different kind of way, they still make hash in the old world way.
KK: Yeah, like the sugar hash?
MM: I don’t know, I don’t fuckin’ smoke this shit. [Laughs]
RC: And the type of air they have in Colorado is best for hash, so that’s why they have the high quality.
MM: It’s like, maybe when we’re out there, we should look into ways of making hash.
RC: I mean, I want to grow my own trees, that’s for sure.
MM: I would love to grow weed.
RC: You know, just like a personal tree.
MM: I heard that California—I mean, uh, Colorado isn’t the best for weed growing.
KK: Personal growing.
MM: But if it’s the best place for hash, that would be fun. I just don’t know how to go about it.
KK: Fuck it, you can just fuckin’ grow, man. Who the fuck gonna bother you?
MM: Yeah. No, I just mean, like, I would wanna make hash, I would wanna figure out how to come up with a product.
KK: The best way to make hash, man, is like cold water. Ice water hash. Like, ice hash. What is it called?
MM: Oh yeah, where they freeze it and then they get the–
RC: Compressor, or whatever-the-fuck.
KK: The fuckin’ shit like that, yeah.
RC: My friend, um–
KK: You get all the, fuckin’, the-the-the fuckin’ shit off it, and then they heat press it into rosin coins.
RC: Yeah, that’s what [someone] does in [someone’s] fuckin’ attic. [Laughs]
MM: [Laughs] That’s funny.
KK: Yo, rosin is the best, I don’t care. Rosin is the best hash, hands down. Doesn’t taste the best, it’s not the most terpy, but fuckin’ it gets you fired up. Like, good, clean too. I need a fuckin’ light.
RC: I fuckin’ love marijuana. That’s all I know.
KK: It’s the only thing I look forward to, is seeing my girl and smokin’ weed at the end of the day.
RC: Dude, right? Right, bro?
KK: I bring a blunt to work just so I can stay sane. I fuckin’ leave on a fifteen-minute break, I smoke a blunt in the parking lot walking to Panera and get a coffee.
MM: I can’t work high […] I have to be, like, super fuckin’ focused. Like, when I get stoned, I get…
RC: Not focused as fuck, Max.
RC: I just feel like we got to get the fuck out of this area though. Pft. I feel like this is a bad area to be if shit actually does goes down, you know what I mean? Simply because, like, New York is right there.
KK: Mad people there. Just mad criminals around that are just gonna be goin’ for everything.
RC: Yeah dude, we’re not really in the best area.
KK: You’re all on top of each other. It’s fuckin’ terrible. I hate this place.
RC: I know. [Laughs] Right, dude? Literally me and Max. All the time, bro.
KK: I don’t know, man. Shit’s fucked up in this world though. Fuckin’ even, like, Bibi Netenyahu is, like, fuckin’—like, yo, all these establishment motherfuckers – even Israel. Something’s wrong with Israel. And I’m a big Israel supporter. Like, the people of Israel are good, and they believe in what they believe, and it is–the real purpose is there. But, like, this country–
MM: But you can never trust the government, man.
MM: You can never trust the government.
RC: All in all, the world is fucked, you guys. The world. [Laughs]
MM: I don’t know why people trust the government. Like, I don’t know. Like, people fall in line. When people start falling more and more in line with what the government is trying to tell you what to think, like, you know what I mean?
RC: Well, it’s kinda—you have to understand, though, it’s ya know, we’re all coming from a different place, of course, but it’s hard not to when you’re being conditioned constantly.
MM: Absolutely. We all [in this room] went to public school.
RC: You know, especially when you have a deep faith in something like religion, going back to that. Ya know? Because religious people are some of thee most, um, easily brainwashed. I’m sorry to say it, ya know? And that’s coming from very religious parents, like, you know what I mean? Just blindly believing in something. It’s like, um, it’s like so weird. Super weird.
KK: Most religious people – like, the most religious that you’ll ever meet – usually have lived the toughest, realest lives, and experienced the most fuckin’ horrible things, they know the realities of the world, or whether they’re fighting addiction, alcoholism, fuckin’ being a gang member, goin’ to jail, fuckin’ being in the system and experiencing it. Religion is very important. Religion is very important. Believing, having faith in something that is more powerful than yourself, and not worshipping idols is a fuckin’ huge, huge lesson. There’s absolutely true fuckin’ lessons in the Bible. There’s absolutely true lessons in fuckin’, like, the Old Testament and even the New Testament. Probably King Solomon’s Bible is probably verbatim what it was, but it’s allegoric. It’s allegory. These people are looking at these stories is not–
MM: It’s mistranslations, also.
KK: Exactly. […] It’s like Narnia.
MM: Yeah. You have to connect to your spiritual side so you really could understand it.
KK: Exactly. To understand and interpret.
RC: But that’s the big difference, though, I would like to say. Religion and spirituality are not conjoined.
KK: They’re not the same thing. Like, spirituality is a cop out. There’s no such thing as spirituality.
RC: No, but I mean like feeling it in your soul and your heart and, like, making it your identity, you know?
KK: That’s just your endorphins. Your endorphins and your feelings.
MM: Whoever runs your church. Whoever runs your church—yes.
KK: Spirits and spirituality is like when people say, “I’m not religious.” Religion, period, is just a word. Alright? It’s the word of what we call it and doesn’t even fuckin’ mean any of this.
RC: Well, organized religion is what I’m referring to, really.
MM: But it is that faith. There is the faith in God.
RC: The blind faith in God, nonetheless.
KK: It’s not even blind. Some people fuckin’–
MM: Well, it’s important to understand why.
KK: How can you say there isn’t something that created everything? Whether it be a fuckin’ – it’s not man in the sky – whether it’s a fuckin’ equation, whether it’s some particle that we’re all made up of.
RC: Yeah. Everything’s connected, ya know? Everything’s fucking connected at the end of it.
MM: Yeah. It always leads to something, yeah.
KK: And it’s all mathematically perfect.
RC: Yeah, exactly. It’s perfect.
KK: That, and we figured out the math.
RC: Yeah, yeah. Not all of it, yet. I feel like there’s still more we gotta figure out about the world and consciousness.
MM: There’s always more math.
KK: Consciousness, exactly. We are all of one consciousness, experiencing ourselves from different perspectives.
RC: ’Cause everybody’s unique, you know? No one will live the exact same life, so it’s like the same equation infinitely, you know? Infinite numbers, like, no number will be the same, no person will have the same experiences as someone else, quite literally.
MM: Yeah, exactly, yeah.
RC: Pretty nuts.
KK: I feel like, fuckin’, overpopulation is a problem. I feel like there’s only a certain amount of souls.
RC: Sounds like Bill Gates. [Laughs]
KK: Are you ready? Yo, are you ready? Listen to this. Are you ready? This is fucked up. This is why. There’s only a certain amount of souls, and if you are reincarnated, your soul is something else, whether it be another person, another fuckin’ lifeform, whatever the fuck it is. What happens when you fuckin’ run out of souls? Are souls being created? Are you ever-expanding, creating more souls? Is it [when] people [are] dying, are you recycling souls? What happens?
MM: Well, energy is never created nor destroyed, so it’s always–
KK: Always the same.
KK: So, if you’re creating more and more and more and more people who are embodying that, what kind of energy is embodying those bodies?
MM: Ah, I see what you’re saying.
RC: Well, if you believe in reincarnation, then do you believe in past life regression though? Do you know what I mean?
KK: Yeah. Like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I used to tell my mom – remember when I was big [into reincarnation], and tell her fuckin’, like, crazy shit when I was younger. I don’t fuckin’ remember. There’s people that—there’s literally documentaries where fuckin’–
RC: Yeah, I’ve seen ’em, I’ve seen ’em. Yeah, I know what you mean.
KK: Yeah, where little kids are like, fuckin’, somebody from World War II and remember everything – where they died exactly.
RC: Wait, did you watch Surviving Death?
MM: Yes! Yo, Surviving Death is so dope.
KK: So, I saw that story when it was on the news, when that shit was back in the 90’s. Yo, I remember that shit, and that was when I was into, fuckin’, reincarnation, like heavy.
RC: That’s crazy, dude.
KK: Fuckin’, uh, yeah, dude.
MM: Yo, mom told me that you used to, like, speak another language, like–
RC: That’s so weird.
KK: Yeah, so it’s like, I definitely believe in that shit, but I feel like that’s your metaphysical. Your metaphysical is always being fucked up in where we are because of the elements that we’re around – why does my fuckin’ tooth keep fallin’ out. Um, but yeah, fuckin’, so it’s like we’re always calcifying our fuckin’ pineal gland, we’re always fuckin’ dumping different shit into our bodies. It doesn’t matter what you eat ’cause it’s grown in the soil on this fuckin’ Earth, and that’s why, maybe fuckin’ in the religious term if you’re looking at this, this is not God’s world – this is fuckin’ Lucifer’s world – because the second that your soul enters this world, it starts dying immediately. And then what happens? And then you could be fuckin’ dead for twenty years and reincarnated, or sixty years, or long was it ’til that kid–
RC: Purgatory, bro. Whatever the fuck purgatory is, man.
KK: What is purgatory? Is it purgatory?
MM: But that’s how you perceive it in your mind though.
RC: I don’t know. Something’s going on over here, I’m just saying, in the world.
KK: And then you’re speaking Heaven and Hell, alright. So, what if Heaven–
RC: I don’t know if I believe in Heaven and Hell, man.
KK: Alright, well, what if we’re in Hell right now? And Heaven is where you go in the original purgatory, and then you come back to Hell. It’s just a constant cycle of Heaven and Hell – Yin and Yang, little bit of good in the evil, a little bit of bad in the good. What’s the bad in the good? You have no fuckin’ feelings, you don’t experience human life, you just live on the outside in perfect harmony, whoever the fuck it is, whatever fuckin’ Heaven is – the interpretation of what it is. You’re just all-knowing, all-fifth-dimensional-seventh-dimensional being type shit, and then all of a sudden you’re put back to experience human life, the human experience, which is fuckin’ Hell. Let’s be fuckin’ real. There’s nothing fun about this shit.
RC: Yeah. I think about that a lot, you know what I mean? Like, what the fuck is this shit, you guys?
MM: Samsara, that’s what that concept is in Buddhism, is Samsara, where it’s, like, this is constant suffering down here, like, you know what I mean?
RC: [Laughs] It really is, like, day-to-day.
KK: And it’s down here. It’s down here. Lucifer’s world. Hell. Down here.
RC: Well, I don’t think it has to be. I think that, unfortunately, the life that we do live now–
KK: It doesn’t matter. You’re always gonna experience loss. You’re always gonna experience pain. You’re always gonna suffer in some way, shape, or form, whether it’s more or less than the next person. You’re of one consciousness experiencing fuckin’ life from a different perspective than everybody else.
MM: But then that’s the battle of the mind though, is that this isn’t Lucifer’s world because without God there wouldn’t be Lucifer. That’s the mind game that Lucifer and God did play.
KK: Well, Lucifer fuckin’ is God. He’s the bringer of light. What about that?
RC: These are just concepts as well – Lucifer and God – you know what I mean?
KK: “Let there be light.” He’s the bringer of light.
MM: Yo, this is a controversial thought, but I’ve thought that Jesus and Lucifer were kind of like one and the same. It was a mental game with Himself.
RC: The good wolf and the bad wolf kinda thing, you know what I mean?
KK: Like the fuckin’ Him fighting temptation type shit?
MM: Yeah. Like, “I’ll give you the world.” [Jesus] was basically like, “I don’t want any of the nations.”
KK: Yeah, He didn’t want none of it.
RC: I don’t know. [Laughs]
MM: Right? And that’s where religion comes into play though.
KK: Think about the moral teachings. Where does morality come from? Comes from Judeo-Christian culture. Right and wrong come from Judeo-Christian culture. Took thousands and thousands of years to perfect. There’s fuckin’ intervention in every fuckin’ religion from some sort of sky-being – that’s another thing, too. Like, what if God is taught from people that know exactly what the fuck God is, and they were here beforehand?
MM: Well, back then, who knows what motherfuckas were experiencing – I don’t know. I do think that something came down here at one point.
KK: Oh, no, absolutely believe it. I believe crews of people did. That’s what the multigod system is, is fuckin’ literally, like, spaceships of fuckin’ people fuckin’ coming in – Buddhists with the golden ships in the ocean and shit, golden islands that just take off in a sea of fire and fuckin’ cause tidal waves that wash out shit. Atlantis is underwater. There’s fuckin’ a manmade docking station under there, where boats would hit and shit like that.
MM: Wait, what?
KK: Atlantis – in between Cuba, like off the Keys, underwater there’s a fuckin’, like, there’s rocks that are set up.
MM: Is that the Bermuda Triangle anywhere in there?
KK: It’s down there, yeah. It’s in that same area. But, fuckin’, ’cause the Keys are here, Cuba’s here, and I think Bermuda’s down here, so the Bermuda Triangle is right here if I’m not mistaken. But, right off the coast, there’s a docking station right there. Like, literally. It was, like, man-placed big rocks, like these carved rocks wedged in between them perfectly, like on a fuckin’—like, lookin’ like a curve. It was perfect. It was just underwater covered in shit. There was no way you can say that was not placed by man. But, if it was placed by man, then it was placed there pre-Ice Age. And if you really think about the cycle of the Earth, we are just coming out of the Ice Age still.
RC: So everything is gonna get real hot, and then everything will eventually just go back to being extremely cold over thousands and millions of years.
MM: You think the water level was lower?
KK: No. I think it is higher.
RC: It was lower, and then, you know, because of the Ice Age, everything froze and then melted, you know what I mean? And waters rise.
MM: Yeah, exactly. That’s what I was thinking. Where there was more space for Atlantis to exist on land.
KK: Yeah. Yeah ’cause pre-Ice Age – think about that.
RC: The ocean is so deep, like, we don’t even know how deep it is.
KK: Like, 80% of the ocean is uncharted.
MM: It’s haunting.
KK: They have no idea what the fuck’s there.
RC: Right? Like, how big is the Earth? [Laughs] What the fuck? Think about that.
KK: We don’t know. Well, think about how much land—we’re fuckin’ huge.
RC: I know, it’s the concept of, like, ya know, spheres.
MM: It’s big. It’s very big. But also not that big in comparison to everything else – in this solar system!
RC: Right? Isn’t that insane? Mind-boggling. We’re so tiny.
KK: Well, fuckin’, they have a machine on Mars right now taking 3D pictures and shit. That shit crazy.
MM: Yeah. Like, what? Like, China, right?
KK: Nah, it’s us I think. It’s us, we have a rover up there.
MM: Oh, I thought China also put something up there.
KK: They might have.
RC: Maybe. They’re not telling us, that’s for sure.
KK: They’re probably lying about it.
MM: I saw some shit, I don’t know.
KK: They’re probably lying about that shit.
RC: They’re somewhere. Like, Pluto, or somethin’. [Laughs]